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Ok, so I'm the most unflexible person on the planet, I can't even touch my own toes with my legs straight (or get as far as lower calf, for that matter) - should I even be trying to do tribal if I'm not flexible enough for the movements, or is it possible to improve my flexibility to the point where I'm actually stretchy like other people?
I'm just a little worried that I'm never going to do well because I don't know if it's possible to change so drastically.
Advice appreciated.....
KittyCat
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I'm just a little worried that I'm never going to do well because I don't know if it's possible to change so drastically.
Advice appreciated.....
KittyCat
xxx
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Re: Flexibility issues.....
Fri, October 26, 2007 - 5:26 AMYou aren't the most unflexible person on the planet (just trust me on this one).
You might want to go read the thread right now about too-flexible dancers. I am very flexible and I have to constantly worry about injuring myself. I think we all start with obstacles in our path. For me, it was lack of muscular strength. I had to really work on that and I'm still not very strong. Your inflexibility is only going to stop you from dancing if you make it into an insurmountable obstacle in your brain. It is totally possible to improve your flexibility. It might be a slow process but sometimes that's better because it prevents you from doing things before your body can handle them (again see the other thread to find out how this is problematic for very flexible people).
It might be that there will be certain stunts you can never feel comfortable doing, but that doesn't mean that you can't be a great dancer who is enjoyable to watch. The flashy tricks are not the core of the dance. -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 6:00 AMBuilding up flexibility takes time and is harder the older you get. Start little by little and make sure you don't overstretch to the point of making your muscle tighten, clenched muscles are not especially inclined to stretch.
My gymnastics coach used to have us do something called PNFs. This is where we would stretch a body part to the limit, then clench all the muscles in that body part for a designated amount of time, then utterly relax the muscles. The point was to overcome the body's flexibility point by tricking it into stretching past that with the muscle clenching. HOWEVER, I have no idea what type of damage this does, so I don't recommend it. I never noticed any issues with this method, and it did get me very flexible in a hurry, but you probably aren't looking to be as flexible as a gymnast. It did eventually cause me to become overflexible & understrong.
For me, I try to make it a relaxing process, breathing into the stretch and that helps me maintain flexibility. Yoga is also very good, but if you are straining, then you are not stretching. -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 6:55 AMThat stretching thing sounds....effective but slightly dangerous? If you're already at your stretch limit and then trick it into stretching more, that's kind of just like forcing yourself to stretch too far right? Although I suppose if you've never noticed issues apart from the overflexible-understrong thing, it shouldn't be a huge danger.
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 8:53 AMI would really like to see what other people have to say about the tensing stretching thing too, though. It's not really forcing yourself to stretch too far, but forcing yourself to stretch just beyond your stretch limit. I guess generally speaking, though forcing yourself to do anything is not usually a good thing. There is a slight difference between a little beyond and too far, am I making sense? Of course, this was something I learned in gymnastics, and gymnasts are reknown for abusing their bodies. I do think it is also a contortionism trick too. If you stretch and immediately recoil, you've gone too far too fast.
I agree with the posts below though, breathing is a KEY part of stretching. -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 8:32 PMThis method is totally accepted and used by physical therapists in my area. You aren't stretching beyond what's a decent point by doing this you are contracting to release the tensing reflex and THEN stretching beyond that point. There are much better descriptions of this than I'm giving but it really does help your muscle stretch fully without injury.
Like say you have one of those flexi bands and put it around your foot to lift your leg - you assist stretch your leg up to a decent stretch but getting tight - then you hold the band at that level and reverse your leg by pulling downward against resistance - several times, whatever, then stretch up again. HTH -
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 6:16 AMActually Waggs, that's one of the best explanations of the technique I've seen - I'm definitely going to try that. There was a thread here not long ago which mentioned Bob Cooley's book (The Genius of Flexibility) which suggests resisting during the entire stretch, but this sounds like might work even better - thank you!
Rachel Jade mentions visualization, and I've made just about every mistake possible as far as that goes. Imagine vividly *being* flexible in the way you want - really dwell on how that would *feel* to you - and *know* that it is coming to you. If you're always focused on how stiff you are you cannot become flexible so there's a discipline involved - whenever you catch yourself thinking about being stiff, as best as you can stop and recreate that feeling you had when you visualized flexibility. You know it's coming so you don't need to worry about how far ahead the others in class are - like a seedling, give it time to grow.
The real key is your feelings; again, if you're in any kind of negative emotion surrounding flexibility you are counter creating - creating the very thing you don't want. Don't wallow in what the current sorry state is; stay fixed on the thing you want, dwell on that flexibility you want, and really live the feeling of being flexible. That's what will produce results.
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 12:43 AMOh - cool, glad it helped ;~). I totally think visualization is a wonderful tool also.
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Sun, October 28, 2007 - 5:41 AMI have a degree in Kinesiology and this is one of the stretching methods I was taught in school.
It is one of the best ways to gain flexibility quickly, and it's not bad for your muscles as long as you don't overstretch.
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 6:53 AMSo....I'm going for matter over mind for a change? LoL nice one. Thanks though, I feel much better for that....
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 8:23 AMas mentioned above, breathing into a stretch is good. if you're trying to touch your toes in a seated forward bend, for example, when you feel like you've reached your stretch limit, take a deep breath in and then allow yourself to go further forward as you exhale slowly; hold there and take a few deep breaths. if you're up for it you can take another breath and go further again on the exhalation. DO NOT GO FURTHER IF IT STARTS TO HURT! it may feel slightly challenging but should not be painful. this is a nice gentle way of gently increasing your stretch. -
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 9:44 AMI really improved flexibility through yoga and pilates.. sorry if this is stating the obvious. I thought at first it would be a slow process but not really. Its probably one of the safest ways to do it..
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 1:14 PMOne of my ballet teachers long ago said that you must hold a stretch for at least 90 seconds to get the full benefit of stretching. Does anyone know if there is a prescribed time for holding a stretch and if 90 seconds is correct?
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 2:45 PMI felt the same way. I never touched my toes before I was 21. Nothing is impossible. Just keep at it. Stretch, stretch, stretch EVERYDAY. Visualization really helps too. You can't think you'll never do it, or you won't, but drastic change is possible.
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Fri, October 26, 2007 - 6:39 PMI not very flexible either, you just have to keep at it just like anything else. I dance with people who are extremely flexible, which is a little disheartening, but it's best to focus on yourself in this sort of thing & don't compared yourself to others. The people I dance with have been taking ballet or some other kind of dance for years - how can I compare to that when I've only been doing it for 2 years? No way! I get sad & frustrated sometimes too but...Stay calm, remind yourself that you are going to do it & keep working on it! One day at a time, every day. It will happen.
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Sat, October 27, 2007 - 9:31 AMI have a new flexibility exercise. Last night at Gold's after the bellydance workout, I tried out the giant exercise balls.
1. Get one of the nice little exercise mats.
2. Get one of the giant balls.
3. Kneel down on the mat.
4. Put the ball behind you
5. Lean back like trying to do a backbend.
This one stretches the muscles on the front of the thighs.