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Can anyone tell me what might me causing this issue? I have trouble doing cow face posture with my left arm down. It's fine on the other side, but something is making it hard for me to get the left arm into position when it's on bottom. I'm usually pretty good at pinpointing (or at least getting a general idea of) the issue, but I just can't figure this one out. It seems like it's somewhere between the shoulder joint and the elbow, but I can't figure out which muscle it is. Any guesses?
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Re: anatomical question
Thu, June 25, 2009 - 8:27 AMhhmmmm...After digging around a bit, I have an idea that it may be my biceps (long head).
Does anyone know good stretches for that?
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Re: anatomical question
Tue, June 30, 2009 - 10:07 AMIf it's the left arm down that is bothering you, i'd say more often than not, it's actually b/c of L shoulder tightness that is inhibiting the rotation backwards.
My Question for you:
where do you feel the pain, and what kind of pain is it? (sharp and pointed? achey? does it feel just tight and inflexible? Or do you feel pain in your joint?)
Obviously it's challanging to "diagnose" over the computer, but i'd love to try to help you if i can.
I'm a yoga therapist, massage therapist and health counselor, as well as a bellydancer. And I'm kind of a geek about injury stuff like this, especially b/c last year i separated my shoulder so i'm keenly aware of how it is affected in bellydance and yoga!
My guess would be that something around your shoulder girdle is really tight. Could be your pecs, your traps, yes your biceps or your traps (in your arms) but my guess is that more often than not it's tightness in the shoulder and surrounding muscles that are limiting the range of motion or mobility in the shoulder flexibility that would inhibit you being able to bend your arm fully.
Suggestions:
1. Do the other arm first, so you get a nice stretch in that Left lats, triceps, etc.---the whole side and armpit area.
2. Do shoulder circles backwards to loosen up your shoulders before doing the pose.
3. Clasp your hands behind back, on the inhale lift your chest and stretch your knuckles up the back wall to open up the front of shoulder and the pecs--on the exhale, bend forward at the waist, taking your arms up over head behind you.
THen try the pose again.
There is so many therapeutic things I could show you to do for it, but have to be in person (obviously.)
Try those and let me know if they help at all!
Also try this:
opening up your neck/pecs/shoulders by:
placing your L arm behind your back as you would for the pose.
then doing gentle L shoulder rotations backwards. Small. to open up the shoulder.
Then, keeping your hand behind your back, take your R hand to your L shoulder--anchor a point where it feels tight with your R fingers. Then turn your neck away to the R, back to center. To the Right, back to center, etc. It's a combo of self-massage and yoga stretching to really open up tightness in your neck and shoulder.
does that make sense?
And get a really great bodywork session. :)
good luck!!!
Also: i just saw this too: www.yogajournal.com/poses/689. cow face pose. -
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Re: anatomical question
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 11:15 AMThanks Raven! I'm thrilled to say that I've actually through stubborn persistence gotten to the point where I can lock my fingertips together. :) I'll definitely work with your suggestions and let you know what happens.
I don't really know how to describe the discomfort. And it seems like it's located on the lesser tubercle of the humerus and down to my elbow, but whether is on the biceps or triceps side, I can't quite tell. It's frustrating, because I'm a massage therapist, so I've learned to pinpoint issues pretty well, as a rule, but I just can't quite tell where it's coming from. In fact, it could be one of the rotator cuff muscles.
Do you think it would be helpful to you if you could see a video of how I move when I get into it? I could post one on youtube. -
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Re: anatomical question
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 12:05 AMAnother massage therapist(well, maybe next week when the boards FINALLY have their meeting) chiming in! It drives me crazy when I can't pinpoint a muscle either.
Lesser tubercle makes me think maybe subscap, but the actions wrong for you to be feeling a 'stretch'. My guess would be anterior deltoid. The insertion could explain the 'going down the elbow bit', and it would inhibit extension of the shoulder if it was tight.
Lats and coracobrachialis also sprang to mind, but would require some palpation, ROM, and experimentation. Don't we sound like a bunch of nerdy mad scientists of muscles, lol... -
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Re: anatomical question
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 6:39 AMhehe. I am a total dork when it comes to kinesiology. It's so cool!
I hadn't thought of the deltoid. I don't know why, especially because I sometimes have pain around the lesser turbercle (as if it's super sore) and had decided it was the ant deltoid. It's been a while and I had forgoyten about it. That would certainly make sense. hhhmmmm *trying it again* Hey, I think it IS the deltoid! That's TOTALLY where it feels like it's coming from. Thanks! I'll work on stretching it more and get back to you on the results.
Early congrats on getting your license or certification! -
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Re: anatomical question
Fri, July 3, 2009 - 11:00 AMThanks! Its a license in my state. I took them on June 2nd, so the anticipation is killing me! I should know by this Wednesday, I feel like I did pretty well, but have had *loads* of time to fret about all the questions I wasn't sure of.....
Hope your shoulder starts feeling better soon! -
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Re: anatomical question
Sun, July 5, 2009 - 4:05 PMhehe. I understand. I was really grateful that they told us immediately! It would suck to have to wait. I'm sure you did really well though. You obviously really know your stuff. Let me know when you get the word!
My shoulder is feeling better now, thanks. :) Now if only I could get rid of this catch in my neck. lol. I woke up with it two days ago and I've poked and prodded and had others (non lmts) poke and prod and it's just being stubborn. Of course, I didn't let that stop me from hooping all night last night, or spinning fire, so clearly it's not *that* bad!
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Re: anatomical question
Wed, July 1, 2009 - 10:29 PMIt may be as simple as that sometimes, one side is stronger than the other. Sorry to sound trite, but that's how bodies work,....sometimes.
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Re: anatomical question
Thu, July 2, 2009 - 7:40 AMi have the same problem on the other side...i can reach my left with my right when my left is on the bottom but the reverse has me barely able to rotate my right shoulder enough to get it near the middle of my back in cow face pose. for me, my right shoulder just does not rotate enough yet to reach.