Stretch marks

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For four years I have been teasing with getting back into performing, but just when I feel like I'm on a roll in my practice, I remember how bad my stretch marks look. I am not self concious about my weight or anything else regarding my body, but I scarred SO badly from my pregnancy that it is hard not to notice, very distracting.

Besides just "getting over it" can anyone else relate?
Any costume suggestions to hide the gut?

Thanks!
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  • Re: Stretch marks

    Wed, March 8, 2006 - 10:51 AM
    I can relate, and while my stretch marks aren't too noticable, I notice them...

    In my experience both personally and through looking at others, that sometimes in trying to hide that area with costuming, it actually draws more attention to that area.

    For my own body, I have just leaned to live with them. Not love them necessarily, but live with them... They are the result of my 3 beautiful boys after all!
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      Wed, March 8, 2006 - 10:52 AM
      I didn't mean that as 'get over it' - but more live with. Not quite the same?
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        Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:01 AM
        Im COVERED in stretch marks!!!

        All across my thighs, hips, booty and knees. I dont even bother trying to hide them(when I dance). I just think of them as mini streets on my body. I kinda think my stretch marks are cute :D
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          Re: Stretch marks

          Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:07 AM
          I know I need to change MY attitude about it, but I've already gotten some negative feedback about it, so it's hard.
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            Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:19 AM
            I always thought stretch marks should be worn with pride, like battle scars or something. In your case they come from bring another life into this world which is an amazing accomplishment .
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              Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:36 AM
              Crystal, I've heard that so many times yet when you grow up with a parent saying how horrible things like that looks and that you should cover them up.... well, its hard to believe anything else.

              Caroline, I'm with you. My last child, my son, is almost 4 yrs old and although my stretch marks have mostly turned silvery, I can still see them and yes, they do bother me. For the most part I just go with the flow and bare my belly. So far no one has come up to me and comment on them. But when/if that time time comes, then I'm not sure how I will react.
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                Re: Stretch marks

                Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:46 AM
                I am totally proud of my pregnancy, labor, child etc. but when you gain 70 lbs in the matter of a few months it's not a happy reminder to see not just stretch marks, but stretched skin that hangs over the top of my costume (yum). It's actually weird, the more weight I lose, the worse it looks. Kinda like chicken skin. Okay, now I'm giggling about it.

                Another thing.....when I lived in NorCal I didn't care. I didn't shave pits, and body types were more varying. Here in Jersey, everyone is so appearance/body concious about themselves and others. So much that I feel more attention is being paid to things like this, than a performance. Dig?
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                  Wed, March 8, 2006 - 12:22 PM
                  I have a 13 yr old and loads of stretch marks from going from 110 to 165 while pregnant to 135 shortly after birth to 200 lbs now in my thirties. After losing & gaining so much weight, i have them on my hips, belly, breasts, arms, buttocks, etc.

                  I have a lower belly problem too where it looks like I developed a fat lip just above my bikini area and stretches hip-to-hip! I wear my tribal belt just above this but below my belly button so it's an illusion that it doesn't exist!! My belt ties at both sides so it's easier to adjust on my hips. I have friends that wear belly nets/hose because they are slightly self-conscious about their "rolls". Maybe a costume change is in order?

                  Stretch marks are a natural occurence in the life of being of woman. It's all about how you present yourself. If you think you are sexy and beautiful and don't care how your belly looks, other people will pick up on this. This is really why we dance isnt it? Because we are beautiful women in every aspect and we believe we are sexy.

                  If woman remarks on your stretch marks, it's because THEY are self-conscious, not because you should be ;) If this was a male that remarked this to you, their opinions don't count !!! They will never understand =) Don't take it to heart.
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                    Re: Stretch marks

                    Fri, March 17, 2006 - 11:09 AM
                    Here here! Those of scars to be PROUD OF! You had freakin' babies!!! Bear them with pride!


                    I know I will.
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                    Re: Stretch marks

                    Sat, March 18, 2006 - 2:54 AM
                    I just wanted to say this is SUCH great advice.
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                  Thu, March 9, 2006 - 5:06 AM
                  I'm so with you! I love, LOVE, pregnancy, childbirth, my son...the works...but I've got the "chicken skin" too! I agree...I think it gets worse the thinner I get. I am really new to belly dancing and actually have my first performance (recital) at the end of the month. I am still debating about costuming. There are lots of women in my class that have great attitudes about their bodies, and are totally free from feeling any restrictions on what they "should/should not" wear. I'm just not there, yet...maybe one day?? Right now I'm leaning towards buying a unitard (i think that's what they're called) with the mesh middle to wear under my costume. anybody have any suggestions/opinions/thoughts about these?? The only place I know to get them is www.sugarpetals.com.
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                  Thu, March 9, 2006 - 6:13 AM
                  I'm with you on that one. I gained 50lbs with my daughter and went from a 32 A/B to a 34 D! Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a maternity bra in 34 D? It's next to impossible to find a maternity bra in D at all, nevermind with a measurement that small! Anyhow, you may just want to consider meditating on it. Just breathe in the beauty of everything you are and breathe out all the expectations of how your body should look. Stretch marks are like battle scars. They're part of where a body has been, what it's done. They really are beautiful in that they represent life, they represent something that isn't perfection. I mean, who would really want a whole bunch of Barbie doll clones anyway?

                  On top of having stretch marks on the belly (and in other yummy places, like the breasts, hips, in between my thighs...oh yeah, that's sexy...) I've also got a bit of that "mama belly" though barely any at all, and my breasts are all streched and loose because of nursing my daughter. I have to be real careful how I wear certain bras and tops because my breasts will get a little fold in the excess skin if they're sitting the wrong way. Now to add to it, I've got a rather nasty looking scar on my elbow from surgury last December. My body is less than perfect and I just need to come to accept that. It's beautiful in it's own right. I'm still not quite there yet. I'm still not comfortable wearing clothes that show off a lot of cleavage and I'll only ever bare my belly when I'm dancing, but at least I'm pushing those boundries. I think you'll find that people will be supportive of you, and will consider you beautiful no matter how many stretch marks you're wearing.

                  To give you an idea on just how hard this was, I think it'd be easier to tell you where I've come from, what I had going for me before I was pregnant. Before I had my child, I had the perfect body. I had these perfect perky little breasts, a flat little stomach with muscles so strong that I've litterally had a 200lb man stand on it and was able to support his weight with my abdomen with ease. Yes, I showed off a bit in high school. In my martial arts class, I was told that punching me in the stomach was like punching a brick wall. I was quite proud of my body, but then again, for a teen, appearance is everything. Don't get me wrong, I was by no means perfect, but I had a figure that people would kill for, and it put quite a rift between my sister and I, as she's always had problems being overweight. Now people are only jealous of how thin I am for being a mother, but my figure isn't perfect. It shattered my confidence and it's taken nearly three years since Corde's birth to get it back. It just takes time.
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                    Re: Stretch marks

                    Fri, March 10, 2006 - 2:38 PM
                    "Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a maternity bra in 34 D?"
                    Honey, I had to laugh at this one.

                    Try finding a 36FF, when you are NORMALLY a 34 D (and a petite girl at that). And attractive? try, 'grandma-ish' eeeek.
                    So, stretch marks? hell yes! I have had stretch marks on my breasts since the 'overnight explosion' (and isn't THAT a fun explanation as an awkward teen!), and now on my belly (mostly the left, and ain't THAT lopsided!?) 2.5 years after baby Jack . No costume will hide what I have, _and_ I think they are more obvious to me, internally, anyway. So, literally, NOTHING will hide them from my MIND. So I set my attention to focusing on the happiness I have when I dance/spin/shake it and even during sex (gasp!).

                    Love what you got - and it WILL take time - but let it show in your face how PASSIONATE you are about your art, and NO ONE can say anything to you that will deflate you.

                    namaste
                    A_delle
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                  Thu, March 9, 2006 - 8:17 AM
                  i have the loose skin and stretch marks, too, from losing a lot of weight very quickly.
                  i've thought a lot about having abdominoplasty. i know that seems like a vain and shallow thing. in a lot of ways it's something that is diametrically opposed to so much else that i stand for.
                  but the honest truth is, it blocks me from being proud and demonstrative. it blocks me from enjoying my body in a visible way.
                  i have totally ripped abs, and no one else can tell, because they're under this loose, hangy skin that hangs over my costume, and it fricken bugs me.

                  of course, i cant actually *afford* abdominoplasty right now. but it's still on the list of things i'm considering.
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                  Sun, April 2, 2006 - 7:57 AM
                  LOL...I am born and raised NorCal girl...(humboldt) and I understand the not caring cause it is so accepted..I am a mom of 7, and have a few on my thighs, and I hated them and would not wear a bikini because of them...then when I started dancing, I decided...heck, 40, mom of 7...I dont care...my hubby thinks I look good, and really...I do too...so bikini it is...Bellydaning has helped my mushed up selfesteem so much, and feeling good about my body and myself with out being a hooch to so self absorbed, that I just done care...cause my feelings could be easily hurt by someone
                  saying somthing nasty..Your marks should be worn with pride...you are Mother! and I'll bet a good one at that!
                  Hugs...and dance your heart out!
                  Gigi
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              Sat, March 25, 2006 - 8:08 AM
              I agree, but in our society that is so hard because they are seen as imperfections. I heard somewhere that in an African village mothers with stretch marks are seen as beautiful and warrior like and their marks are their "medal." I think that would be great if we could do that here, see our "imperfections" for what they really are: a part of us. beauty~
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            Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:38 AM
            ya know... anyone who gives you negative feedback about your stretch marks which is something you can't help is just a jerk. Plain and simple...

            here's the thing..... you cant change anyone's mind about what they like and what they dont like about your body. The only thing you can change is how you think about it. I know you already know this and it takes time to work through it but dont entertain ANYONE'S negative comments about you about anything! Constructive critisism is one thing but I dont consider negative comments about this topic constructive in the least.

            Next time someone starts to go there just walk away.. try not to slap em' tho.
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            Re: Stretch marks

            Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:49 AM
            Caroline! You are beautiful!!!

            Please don't beat yourself up anymore. A lot of women have stretch (probably more than you realize). I have stretch marks too, and I know that I would never look badly on anyone else who had stretch marks.

            but to say things like "get over it" and "change my attitude" are far easier said than done. In my opinion, you should try to shift your focus on the reason you started belly dancing in the first place. Belly dance celebrates femininity and feminine energy - you look feminine and beautiful doing it.

            EVERY woman has AT LEAST one part of their body that they are self-conscious about. One could argue that it is society and the media's portrayal of the ideal woman being some air brushed model, but that is neither here nor there. Nobody is perfect, everyone is flawed or feels flawed in some way, but that does not mean that you are not a beautiful person.

            Caroline, from what I can tell you are a beautiful woman, a proud mother, and a wonderful dancer. Focus on that. I am sure most people see that and not your stretch marks.

            Please keep dancing!

            Nicole


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              Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:55 AM
              the other thing that occured to me is that if someone is focusing on stretch marks then they are not focusing on the dance and are missing the point entirely,.... therfore their opinions mean nothing as far as I'm concerned...

              if someone is going to critique you it should be on somehting valid and important.

              Sometimes folks are just rude and ridiculous.

              You are beautiful and I am sure you are a lovely dancer and make sure to focus on those wonderful things!
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                Re: Stretch marks

                Wed, March 8, 2006 - 4:36 PM
                there are some things you can do though, there's scar creams and stuff like that. and stage makeup to blend the contrast....

                even though i think we shouldn't judge ourselves for our natural state, i also think it's no big deal if someone wants to change the way they feel by changing how they look. especially with performance art. i don't want this to come off the wrong way, so i hope it doesn't. i'm just saying, there are options.
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                  Thu, March 9, 2006 - 7:46 AM
                  You can also use those self tanners. I use Fake Bake, I put it on a makeup sponge and put a little more on the stretch marks. This makes them stand out less.
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    Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:37 AM
    I've got stretch marks just from going through puberty. Actually I know very few women over teenage years who don't have them to be honest. I'm 27 now so they've faded significantly but I really don't care that they are there to be honest.
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      Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:48 AM
      I am so happy that bellydancing promotes the creation of clevage no matter how small your bobbies are because I have strech marks on mine and the only way I can "make them disappear" is to push them up as far as they can go. I dont mind the marks on my but because I can hide those and those are sooo common but on the chest is hard... mentally...socially also.
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      Wed, March 8, 2006 - 12:47 PM
      I second that...I'm 22 and slim enough but have loads on my thighs, I can only imagine how it'll be in 20 years. I hope I will continue to regard them as my battle scars from life, though marks from childbearing seem more important... please try to wear them with pride as best you can.
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        Wed, March 8, 2006 - 2:23 PM
        My stretch marks from having my kids arent that noticeable anymore, but my 2nd and last one did a number on my belly button. It went back to normal after my first but my 2nd one and on top of it being pierced I guess it just gave out. Its not an innie or an outtie, its like both. Wierd looking. And I miss my piercing, so much I've thought of getting surgery to fix my deflated belly button :( I can live with the faint stretch marks and the mini 'pouch' of skin that never goes away (the muscles are nice and firm, the skin just stays loose from being stretched) but I would love to have my button back!!
        Oh and getting a tan makes the stretch marks a little less obvious. And this might sound dumb, but maybe even putting body glitter over them will help with the attention going to the sparkles instead of the stretch marks. Hide them out in the open so to speak.
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      Sat, March 18, 2006 - 2:57 AM
      Me too - I'm 23 and I have stretch marks from putting on a lot of weight at the end of my adolescence. They have faded slightly but are still there, occasionally I glance in the mirror and go, "Yikes!" but to be honest, most gals have them, and the fact that I'm even brave enough to bare my belly proudly shows I have a lot of confidence, so that makes me feel strong enough to keep doing it.
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    Re: Stretch marks

    Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:56 AM
    The only thing I can come up with, if you really have a hard time with them and would like to cover them, there's also some cover up stuff that seems to be working very well.
    They use it in the film industry, to cover up scars, visible veins, tattoos and such (like the one hundred tattoos on Angelina Jolie) and it seems to be looking very natural.
    Also, I've read some people cover up their stretch marks with tattoos, although this may not be an option for everyone. It's quite drastic, unless you have always wanted a tattoo already (and covering your whole belly with tats may not be the thing for you)...
    You also don't have to dance with a bare belly, unless you really like to.
    If it makes you feel very uncomfortable, there are other options, like beautiful upper clothing in tribal style. Or the ''fishnet' or panty thing over your belly... Whatever makes you feel good about yourself and enjoy your dance.
    Although the 'love your stretch marks' advice is actually the best... (maybe I should apply it to myself one day)... I myself haven't even come to the dancing 'with a bare belly in front of people stage' yet (have only been dancing for a year), and I try to postpone thinking about my stretchmarks...
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      Re: Stretch marks

      Wed, March 8, 2006 - 12:01 PM
      I...I...I didn't think I needed group therapy, but by Georgette I think I have it! Thanks ladies for the support, I really need to know I'm not the only one that feels this vibe and has a hard time "not".
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      Wed, March 8, 2006 - 4:55 PM
      Strangely enough, when I applied the stage cover-up, it covered my tats, but still did not hide my stretch marks! they were shining right through, and really showed up in the photos. I tried the Mederma, the anti-scar cream, and I think my stretch marks are too old. Tats may sometimes work, sometimes not. I was told by several tattooists that it would not work for me, the ink would "bleed" into the silvery skin. woo hoo:)
      I think there are many ways to look at this: 1. ignore them, and dance 2. use a mesh tummy cover or any other fabric 3. wear a one piece. As large as my stretch marks are, I only need a little bit of covering across the front, so don't need a lot of fabric. The other thing is, maybe I don't mind the stretch marks on my sides. Maybe this is all a state of mind.
      Some days I don' t care about my marks, other times i do. And folks may not say anything, but if you want a gig, I believe it will be very hard to get one with stretch marks. Let's face it, the folks who hire us are not exactly enlightened. Private gigs could be the same way, I have found it to be so, and yet, sometims they loved the stretch marks.
      I think you should be able to have options and I suggest trying out different techniques, when you want to hide them. And if the next day, you are okay with them, then I think that is awesome too.
      Lucy
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    Re: Stretch marks

    Wed, March 8, 2006 - 11:57 AM
    If you feel the need to cover them...

    Body stockings (sheer or solid). There are lots of places online to buy them, but you can also just buy a pair of tights, cut the feet off, and pull them up under your breasts. Put a row of hooks on the top of the stocking, and a row of eyes on the underside of your bra, to secure the top.

    Instead of the full-on body stocking, you could also do a piece of sheer fabric that would still show the lines of your body, but conceal the "fine details." I hope Blaize doesn't mind me posting her photo here, but I really loved the costumes she and her dance partner wore at Tribal Fusion Faire:
    tribalfusionfaire.tribe.net/phot...8554a

    You could also do something like the tops the PURE dancers wear, but long, so it doesn't expose your tummy:
    pure-dance.tribe.net/photos

    Or a tank in a sparklier fabric, that would still show your torso movements:
    www.discountdance.com/frame_set.php3
    (Click on Performance Tops for a few examples -- I was looking at the sequinned one; there's some other cute stuff in different categories.)

    Depending on where your stretchmarks are the heaviest, you could also try a top that covers most, but not all, of your belly. My hand's blocking part of it here, but this top comes to a V at about my beltline; it shows the sides of my belly, but not the front. There are many similar designs:
    people.tribe.net/artoftheo...8eb10068a2

    You could also drape and pin a veil to cover what you want to cover, or, if it would suit your style of dance, you could try wearing a long dress with a hip belt. I actually wore this ensemble to an awards banquet, but I could also dance in it:
    people.tribe.net/artoftheo...108cb78ed1
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      Re: Stretch marks

      Wed, March 8, 2006 - 12:06 PM
      yes, that lace is nice. so is fishnet. there are a variety of colors of fishnet long sleeve tops out there. i have a blaze orange one i bought from a tribal place in ventura.

      i also have a pair of fishnet pantyhose (black) that i cut like chialynn is describing. doesn't cover tummy but is still nice.
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      Wed, March 8, 2006 - 12:08 PM
      I also got my stretch marks going through puberty. I was 12, and pop! there they were!!!


      During my teenie years I hated them, but grew to love them. Its like having your own personal body pattern without spending money :D


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        Wed, March 8, 2006 - 12:16 PM
        Okay, I have to chime in here. I've got some wicked stretch marks, from gaining/losing weight and I don't even have a baby to show for them. I grew up got curves and along with them came the stretch marks.
        Sure, you can do the body stocking thing. OR what ever you feel you need to so that you feel good.
        However, please consider the source of the negative comments.
        Stretch marks from babies are badges of honor and all mom's should be proud of them. However, that doesn't mean that they are. So, when the negative comments roll in.. Consider that they are from women(and men) who don't look at them as badges of honor, they are likely from people who have been taught to consider them shameful.

        I guess basically what I mean to say.. is don't let someone elses body issues affect you.
        Do what you need to in order to be aesthetically pleasing to the audience because that is your money maker. But.. remember that not all audiences will feel that way.

        YAY for baby bellies and momies who show them... Maybe one day I can join those ranks too!
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        Wed, March 8, 2006 - 2:53 PM
        Yup same as. Hated them as a teenager but quite like them now. I developed really quickly, I swear my tits grew overnight!
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          Wed, March 8, 2006 - 4:14 PM
          Me too woke up one day in like 6th grade and i was like... Where the hell did those big girls come from?
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            Wed, March 8, 2006 - 4:44 PM
            yeah I was 8 but luckily they stayed small until I hit my 20's... Now... my hips have amazing stretch marks... especially when I lose weight... an ex boyfriend of mine when seeing them for the first time asked "what happened there??",,, he thought they were actual scars and I had gotten mauled at some point..

            Luckily they are just a lighter color than my natural skin tone but they do stand out since they are rather deep... I dont mind them tho.. I used to but they are just the way my body is. I think people ar emore aware of my weight than my stretch marks and when the weight is gone maybe they will focus on the stretch marks but I have been lucky in that no one has actually come up to me and had the nerve to make disparaging remarks. I think I might scare folks sometimes,..... ahh well.. i'm nice tho!
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            Wed, March 8, 2006 - 5:05 PM
            I don't have huge stretch marks--just a few on each hip--but I do sometimes cover them. For a photo shoot? Absolutely yes I do cover them. Something about flash photography brings out the BLUE in stretch marks and all of a sudden they look really hard to ignore. So do super-bright stage lights. Lower-lighting or outdoor venue? Audience far away from the stage? I don't bother.
            I don't mind my "medals of motherhood" but for me, I want to know people are focused on my dancing, and not be distracted by my stretch marks. I consider it part of my stage makeup.
            I have use Dermablend (which covers well but is very thick) and now use Clinique full-coverage makeup (nice texture, many shades). Use powder to set it.
            I also think the fishnet things look great for covering and still looking "bare."
            I don't malign people who show stretchmarks, but I think it is fine to cover them if you want. Especially if you think it will give you more confidence.
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              Wed, March 8, 2006 - 5:23 PM
              "If a woman remarks on your stretch marks, it's because THEY are self-conscious, not because you should be "

              Exactly. I have them too, and I was really self concious about showing a little tummy. But I've become more secure with myself since dancing and you should too! The people who commented were insecure with themselves as a result of you being so confident and secure with yourself. If that makes any sense. :)
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              Re: Stretch marks

              Thu, March 9, 2006 - 8:39 AM
              i agree. and i've got those stretch marks on the back hips and down the side of my bottom from having the incredible shrinking and expanding ass. no babies. never no. just growth spurts and weight loss. i'd probably cover them if they were more noticable. no reason to chastize either decision.
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    Wed, March 8, 2006 - 5:41 PM
    I hope I don't get into too much trouble from the "stay away from sunlight" side of the argument, but my AMAZINGLY HUGE stretch marks tend to sort of fade a bit when I get tan during the summer. They don't go away, but they aren't nearly as obvious. I havent tried sunless tanner (ack orange palms!!!) but maybe it's worth a try if they're bugging you that much? Or someone who has tried can tell us how that went.

    Either way, I totally hear you. It's easy enough to say "I should be proud/happy/uncaring about things I cannot change" but actually feeling that way is sometimes nigh unto impossible. Personally, I would rather have a huge scar across my abdoment then stretch marks. At least that way I could make up a fun story as to why I have this gnarly scar (I am a general in the Gummi Space Armada. I got this during a battle with the Interstellar Licorice Whips...you should have seen it, explosive jelly beans from all sides....). With stretch marks, it's pretty much "sorry, I got fat quick" hehehehee!

    *HUGS* You are beautiful. Don't let the cynics get you down. 10 to 1 they were just jealous of your confidence, and they wish they could have gotten up and danced!
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      Thu, March 9, 2006 - 2:10 AM
      It happends to the best of us check out Zoe..tribes.tribe.net/zoe/photo...7b493259d7
      This doesn't look bad at all!
      • Re: Stretch marks

        Thu, March 9, 2006 - 4:47 AM
        y'know when I hit puberty and got them I was so depressed, it really bothered me like some hideous scarring had ruined a perfect thing LOL! not that I was perfect but you get the idea. At times over the years I swung from not giving a damn to being self concious about them. Then at university a close friend of mine were chatting and gawd knows how the topic came up but he was not bothered by ladies who had them plus this skinny fella had them himself, and his views stuck with me. WE make it into an issue.

        I think most of the problem (although I don't like using the word problem because it suggests something is wrong and there is nothing wrong with stretchmarks)...most of the problem comes from ourselves, the way we think about ourselves. It doesn't help to see all these airbrushed perfect bodies round the place even though we know it's fake we SEE it as real and our brain accepts it. It certainly doesn't help to have people say negative things about things we're already selfconscious about. It is true we need to change our attitudes but in the mean time there are some fantastic costuming ideas outthere and if you don't want to show your midriff then don't. It's your dance. Perhaps over time your attitudes may change.
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        Thu, March 9, 2006 - 5:05 AM
        ???? I can't see anything on Zoe! Maybe that's the point? I've seen plenty of dancers, both on stage and off, and have never noticed stretch marks. Guess i was too busy watchin em dance or summat ;)

        I too recieved stretch marks from pooberty, and the once they'd faded, got some more new ones to add to the collection, this is what happens sometimes when you lose 3 stone!

        I definately see them as battle scars/milestones and like to think of them as a free alternative to body modification, like nature's tatoos!

        Remember, tribes all over the world intentionally use scarification in their symbolic rites of passage and growth.

        Why can't it mean the same for us?
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          Thu, March 9, 2006 - 8:57 AM
          "Remember, tribes all over the world intentionally use scarification in their symbolic rites of passage and growth.

          Why can't it mean the same for us? "

          Stretch marks should be symbolic. They are like fine lines and wrinkles. We can't help them. Stretch marks come from more than just puberty, weight gain and babies. In fact, some of us probably have them and we have forgotten the ones on the backs of our knees from a fast growth spurt as a child.
          We are always our own worst critics. Our eyes are much harsher on our own bodies, than we are on other people.
          While we may not see a single line of a stretch mark on Zoe, doesn't mean that she doesn't have them, nor does it mean that she isn't self concsious of the ones she knows she has.
          What it does mean is that what we see, is much different than what she sees.

          Sadly, we have been so conditioned that things that have been time honored marks of beauty in other eras and parts of the world, are now shameful things that we spend billions of dollars every year to hide, correct, remove, change. Because of this conditioning, other people see things the same way.
          How many times in the years anyone has been dancing(or out in the general public), have you heard "Look at her(him)I can't believe she is showing that(whatever it is)in public. Why can't they cover it up?"

          Okay. I have to stop or I will wind up on a wild rant. I have very strong views and rather stubborn opinions on things like this. The last thing I want to do is bulldoze the views and feelings of the people around me, whom I have come to respect.
          Thanks for putting up with my razor tongue to this point!

          • Re: Stretch marks

            Fri, March 10, 2006 - 7:25 AM
            The last time I danced I heard someone in the audience say "she's a mommy!" I am assuming that was because of my stretch marks. Was the MOST FABULOUS thing anyone could've said! I smiled like a cheshire cat through the whole performance. Thinking about it now makes me smile. Best compliment I could've gotten. (it's my profile pic!)
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              Re: Stretch marks

              Fri, March 10, 2006 - 7:37 AM
              Zo, Zoe has ztrechmarkzz............... yezzzzzzzzzzzz! Letz ztart a ztrechmark tribe!

              Just kidding. But it is very nice to read and see how people are promoting to be very loving and accepting about it towards themselves and others. I absolutely love it!

              A sidenote: yes, I know a lot of people with stretchmarks, even my brother who is very slender (but quite tall so there you go)... Not everyone has 'm though (lucky bastards!)...
              Ages ago, when I was talking to a friend, the subject somehow came on stretchmarks and she wondered what they were! Because she hasn't got them and hasn't seen them in others apparently or haven't paid notice or whatever... She had never heard of the term.
              Gaaah, lucky bastard...

              And wow Ramona, that was indeed a fantastic compliment!
              • Re: Stretch marks

                Fri, March 10, 2006 - 12:55 PM
                I used to be so ashamed of my belly and god forbid my shirt lifted up during stretching or class and my stretch marks show. Since I've started dancing tribal I have a whole new appreciation for my body. A "trademark" of our troupes is we decorate our bellies before performing with washable brown marker. Everyone thinks it's henna but it's not. That definetly help with hiding them so to speak although that's not really the reason for doing it.

                I have had women come up to me when we're all dressed ready to perform and say "it's so nice to see real women with stretch marks" I consider it a compliment as I know I've come a loooonggg way mentally accepting that these are my battle marks ;)
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            Re: Stretch marks

            Sat, March 11, 2006 - 7:24 AM
            fajera, unfortunately american culture chases youth to an obsession. we cast out our old. deny our own age. go through great pains to surgically or otherwise hide our age. it's all so silly. i wish we were more honorable about the rites of passage into years of experience in this lifetime.

            my uncle in germany went to china once. he has white/silver hair. they all thought he was a wise man since not many chinese get grey. they all wanted to talk to him. they were intrigued. i thought that was cool.
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Fri, March 10, 2006 - 2:38 PM
    Caroline,

    I am sure you remember my stretch marks...*go to 'mypics' and check out the pic titled 'My Arse'...doooodette...streeetttcchhh marks...*

    water helps...and so does shea butter...

    You. Are. SO. Very. Beautiful.

    end.
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Fri, March 10, 2006 - 6:23 PM
    Dance baby dance- shake those stretch marks Caroline. You are too awesome to let something like that hold you back from doing what you gotta do. I don't think I have noticed anyone elses stretch marks, so what would I notice yours! He he I love you!
  • Re: Stretch marks - Please believe this

    Fri, March 10, 2006 - 9:04 PM
    YOU are the only one who notices them. Really.
    I have had stretch marks on my inner thighs since I was 11 years old (REALLY!- no idea HOW I got them) - and because I was self-conscious of it I always 'secretly" looked at others / friends in bathing suits to see if they had some too. I tell you FOR REAL - only someone scrutinizing and specifically looking FOR them will see notice them.
    - d
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Fri, March 10, 2006 - 11:27 PM
    In ancient Egypt women coveted vericose veins & were thrilled when they appeared on exposed areas such as legs & breasts. They even adorned them by outlining them in blue dye if you can believe it. Your stretch marks will only distract those that are looking for a distraction, others will notice them for about a millisecond. I say don't hide them intentionally, if they show, they show.. You'll probably never love them, but stop letting them distract you.
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Sun, March 12, 2006 - 2:21 PM
    I do know how this feels, my first performance after child birth was nerve racking becuase of that alone, when i look back at the footage now i don't even feel i danced properly and i cringe at that more so than the marks.. funny eh! Now it dont bother me and i focus on the dance.. but to get meover the couple of months before le non caring began i used alot of fake tan and glitter. also try like a black eye liner and do tribal design on the areas that you feel may be noticed more. Long term there's is this stuff called bio oil with this they fade over time

    Hope it helps
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Sun, March 12, 2006 - 3:32 PM
    I have stretch marks (tiger stripes!), having gone through two pregnancies, and a scar on my leg but I don't mind showing them when I'm in costume. As someone said earlier in the thread, you're probably far more aware of them than anyone else is.

    If that's you in your icon, you look beautiful - go out there and stun them with your beautiful dancing, that's what a discerning audience will be looking at. (And if any individuals in the audience aren't that discerning, does their opinion really matter?).
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      Re: Stretch marks

      Sun, March 12, 2006 - 4:10 PM
      tiger stripes!!! i love that!!! that gives a whole new perspective to it...
  • respect your comfort zone

    Mon, March 13, 2006 - 11:33 PM
    Hi Caroline,
    I can relate to wanting a costume that flatters my body.

    There are lots of artistic choices involved in choosing a costume: what am I trying to say? Does it fit my mood and music? Do I feel like rhinestones or Afghani silver?

    I have a costume that covers my belly. Artistically, I didn't like how my belly "spillage" looked. Personally, I feel too vulnerable to expose my gut on stage. And artistically, when I did it anyway, my dance suffered b/c I was preoccupied and trying to suck in all the time!

    I'm learning to respect my comfort zone and process regarding body image and issues.

    So, now I have a costume I just love that's very modest and covers my mid-section. I discovered that I enjoy the dance more when I don't have to worry about my belly, b/c it's covered -- and the costume is so classy and charming. And anyway, it's nice to have different styles of costumes.

    I was inspired by all those 19th century orientalist paintings you see in books -- check out "Dance of the Almeh" by Gerome:
    www.orientalist-art.org.uk/gerome11.html

    Also: www.orientalist-art.org.uk/wont.html

    I encourage you to play with costumes and styles. What works for me is big, billowy pantaloons with a gauzy, blousy shirt. I wear a snug Turkish vest over the shirt -- accents my boobs, which I like, but discreetly covers my belly (which I'm working on). I tie on a hip scarf, add some jewelry and something for my hair.

    I've also seen really glamorous, rhinestone encrusted, floor-length dresses that fit like a glove over the body, showing every curve and undulation -- even though you're covered up!

    I saw a woman dance with billowy pantaloons, and a sheer dress over it (w/ slits up each side) and an embellished choli on top of that. The layers and movement of the fabrics were gorgeous, and there was so much color!

    There are a lot of ways to cover your stretch marks with costuming. I'm all for covering up, getting your mind off it, and dancing. You can work on "getting over it" later. That stuff takes time anyway; in the meantime cover up and dance.
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Fri, March 17, 2006 - 10:08 AM
    Hi Caroline,

    First of all... you're gorgeous. Stretch marks and all :-) I have heaps but for my tummy coz I'm a mummy.....they look so cool all prettied up with Henna. I make vines out of them and add leaves and flowers, swirls and dots.

    Love
    Samiya
    xxx
    • Re: Stretch marks

      Fri, March 17, 2006 - 12:56 PM
      My thoughts exactly Samiya! One of the prettiest dancers I know has a big surgical scar straight down her tummy. At one performance, she put henna all around it an incorporated the scar into the design. I thought it was one of the most beautiful things I had ever seen!

      That's my plan for my stretch marks! Make them beautiful! :-)
      • Re: Stretch marks

        Thu, March 23, 2006 - 1:00 AM
        Mandy, that's a great idea! I, too... have ... fairly noticeable (purple and silver) stretch marks all along the sides of my hips and behind my knees.. from being a stick as a kid, getting fairly large from 8-13 and then losing all of it in 3 months from... well... not eating. THEN... I put weight back on when my uh... kind of-fiance-boyfriend-thing moved in with me. (stress makes you eat...) and then after he left.. off it went. And now i'm here.

        Whew... my body must be exhausted! lol!

        I used to want plastic surgery to get rid of them.. now I'm starting to see them as.... life markers. If that makes sense?

        You know how when you're growing up... you measure yourself every year on a doorway in your house ? (we did)

        That's how I see my stretch marks. Kind of like... a new mark for every year i've grown. A new mark for every year I've experienced life.
  • Henna Tattooing!

    Sat, March 18, 2006 - 7:32 AM
    I use henna and tattoo over my stretch marks, which arc over my hips. They're from a pretty severe sickness, so I really have to sigh if I need to explain them, and yes, I got negative feedback too. Now, I just henna in an arc over them, and voila! No one even notices. I even use the silver lines as part of the design.
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      Re: Henna Tattooing!

      Sun, March 26, 2006 - 8:26 AM
      One of the most beautiful pregnant bellied I ever hennaed had stretch marks all over. Henna is wonderful and makes you look at your stretch marks in a different light. Way to go!
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Wed, March 22, 2006 - 10:11 PM
    wow, what a post, got all us women talking! Ive been pretty self conscious about my marks too. Well i have to say after reading all of this, It has made me think twice. The beauty of the dance that stands out most is in the movement and the passion we express. The sparkly glam is only secondary. :) thanks ladies...
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    Re: Stretch marks

    Sun, March 26, 2006 - 8:25 AM
    Stretch marks, especially if you're a mother (which I am not) are the most beautiful! It means that the life cycle has continued and that's the reason we are all here and gives us a reason to dance. It takes all kinds of women to make a tribe and some are skinny, some are voluptuous and some have stretch marks. We are all beautiful because we are women. Some women have just become bigger and stretch marks just happen. That's not the point of dancing. Plus, they are neat looking and exotic.
  • Re: Stretch marks

    Sun, April 2, 2006 - 3:28 AM
    No costume ideas, but I have a solution! Buy a big tub of coco butter from a health food store. Ever night, or even twice a day, rub it on all your stretch marks and scars and watch them go POOF! Take a month or two, maybe more, depending. I had chicken pox scars that I got rid of. Those were an annoyance. Cocoa butter also makes a great oil for dry skin. You may have to heat it up before you use it depending on how hot it is where you live - usually it's solid at room temperature.
    It smells like chocolate. ^_^
    Personally, I have stretch marks on my hips and I like them. Couldn't tell you why, but I think they're cute, too. Didn't like the chicken poz scars, though. grr.
    NM

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