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Okay, this may be a dumb question but I can't stand it any longer! I have no idea how to make that noise! I know what Ansuya said on Regis and Kelly, but I can't seem to do it!! And while I'm at it, does anyone know why dancers cover their mouths when they zaghareet? Your help would be greatly appreciated. :)
-A slightly frustrated Gabrielle
-A slightly frustrated Gabrielle
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Re: Zaghareet?
Sat, December 10, 2005 - 6:00 PMThat's actually a good question.
I myself have trouble with the zaghareet. I never tried it for so long for fear of sounding stupid. Then one day I was home by myself and tried it. It took me a while to get it, but I finally managed a weak one.
NOw it's kind of hit or miss. If I'm in a group of people doing it, then I feel emboldened and I go for it.
But standing alone, I'm afraid what will come out will sound closer to a turkey's mating call than a zaghareet.
And I assume (but don't actually know) that dancers cover their mouths because of the spectacle of the tongue motion required during the zaghareet. But I could be wrong here.
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Sat, December 10, 2005 - 6:02 PMthe cover mouth thing is if im not mistaken to hide the inside of the month, like chewing with your mouth closed, its rude if ya dont.
an to make the sound say la la la la la(etc) whilst on the l part of la puting your tongue to the roof of your mouth behind your teeth, once ya get used to that you use your stomach to breath out a long breath whilst making that action with your tongue.
thats all the info. i got!!
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Sat, December 10, 2005 - 6:14 PMIt also helps if you take your vocal pitch up a notch or two, the lower you go, the more difficult it is to project.
It can also be done by wagging the tongue back and forth just under the top lip, like licking the bottom of the bottom edge of your lip, which is how it is done in some ME countries. This way is a bit harder for some easier for others. It took me some practice.
There are also those, especially those trained as singers, who do it by a swift series of contractions of the muscles under the mouth. It is less clipped and very high pitched sounding, but not as loud. I have the most issues with this one personally.
Mostly I like the lala technique myself.
And ailbhe is correct. It is out of politeness that we cover our mouths. However, if you are in a chorus and want to zaghareet a dancer, it can be destracting to the audience to see your hand come up. Once you are practiced at it, you can just open your mouth barely and still put out enough sound for the dancer to hear without looking like your tongue is having a seizure in your mouth so you don't have to cover up. ;) -
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Sat, December 10, 2005 - 6:35 PMI was told you cover your mouth to keep the evil spirits from enetering. -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 3:24 AMApparently another theory is to keep out the flies ;)
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 6:15 AMI use the la,la,la method myself. I've been told that the authentic way to do it is in the back of the mouth - almost a gurgle - I've seen it, but just cannot duplicate it - it sounds slightly different and isn't as loud.
I also cover my mouth as I find it scares small children if I don't :-)
It helps to project the sound as if you are singing a note. When my vocal cords are a bit raw, I'll do a spool up sort of thing where I start lower with a "woooooooooooooo" and rising through the scale into "ooooooolalalalalalalalalalalalalaeeeeeee!" which I heard some Bedouin singers do on some old field recordings.
The absolute best place to practice the zaghareet is while driving alone in the car! No one can hear you and the acoustics are good - it's also a great response for "road rage"
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 7:40 AM>>The absolute best place to practice the zaghareet is while driving alone in the car!<<
I was just going to suggest this, Jenn. That's where I practiced my zaghareets.
Just yesterday I was told by someone that I zaghareet really well. So, I guess all those car sessions paid off! -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 11:22 AMthat is the best advice ever. i can't do it and i can't try in my apartment for fear of freaking out the neighbors, plus i have a scardy cat who does not like loud noise so she would have a heart attack!
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Tue, June 2, 2009 - 12:05 PMI have to disagree- the absloute BEST place to practice your zhagareet is in the shower- the loudness of the pounding water helps you overcome your timidity and it is really hard to do a proper zharageet quietly- you need to amp it up to hear a good one, so practicing somewhere quiet is a bad idea ;) I find the higher I pitch it the better results I get (even if using the cheater lalala method)
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 9:54 AMIn addition to what the others have said, I want to add this: don't be timid about it. It is a very forceful sound that comes from deep in the diaphram. If you're timid about it, it won't come out as well. So one of the keys is to get over your shyness (by practicing in the car, etc.) and then go for it with gusto!
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 11:28 AMWhat if you don't have a car to practice in?
I practice a little bit at home, but only when everybody is out and in a room that doesn't adjoin my neighbour's house.
Does anyone else notice any regional differences? People round here just don't do it. I've only ever heard one at a local hafla. There was quite a lot at the BDSS show here in the Spring but that's it. I've never been taught how to do it in class, I learnt from the internet and Amar Gamarl covered them in a workshop I did with her back in the spring.
So yeah I CAN do it, I just never do because I would feel like an idiot doing it on my own, and if I did do it in a hafla or something a lot of people actually wouldn't know what I was doing. Therefore I don't practice as there's not a great deal of point! -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 11:29 AMsorry the Amar workshop was in the autumn. -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 11:55 AMOh I'm so glad there isa Zaghareet thread!
I've learned the la la la method, and I think I'm pretty good at it (I did the practice in the car too!). I was taught that covering your mouth, besides hiding the questionable tongue action, also helps project the sound.
But the kind of zaghareet I want to learn is the one that Sharon Kihara does. I'd never heard it live before (I'd heard it when watching National Geographic shows on various African tribes) until she come to town. It is awesome! Almost a high pitch yell rather than sing songy la la la- which is nice too, but I really like the African sounding one. Does anyone know how to do that? -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 3:38 PMThe "gurgling" method I mentioned before seems to fit what you're talking about - the sound happens in the back of the mouth - amazing!
Hey...has anyone ever had the pleasure of having your voice crack while doing the zaghareet? I hadn't zaghareeted in a long time and then jumped right into one - then midway through, my voice cracked into this sonic squeak! LOL! It was hilarious - and I was very happy to be amoungst friends when it happened! -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 3:54 AMHahahahaha!
My voice is cracking a lot. It realy is hilarious.
I find car practising a very good idea. I'll try that.
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 3:17 PMA real zagh is done with the tongue moving from side-to-side, but back and forth across the top/back of the roof of the mouth can get the same warble.
It's not a lalala or a lelele, it's a real "from your belly" but high-pitched yell, like Sharon does. it's damned impressive because it really raises energy when you do it like that.
I'll try to explain...
The warbling happens from your tongue moving rapidly, so there's not a real sound like a la or a le, but a sort of luh-luh-luh noise, if that makes sense. You lose the pitch when you make vowel sounds like ah or ee.
It does happen in the back of your throat, with your throat constricted to get the higher pitch.
Take a deep breath, practice waggling your tongue rapidly in the front of your mouth. Now do it again, but move it to the back of your mouth.
Hear the difference?
Really push hard with the air from your lungs.
If you watch yourself do it in a mirror, you'll quickly understand why you'd want to cover your mouth. Okay, now wipe off the mirror. ;)
We've always ended ours with a long ee sound that rises sharply, like a yip.
I can get dizzy if I zagh too much.
Roya,
Spirit-Dancer
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Fri, February 10, 2006 - 2:03 AMYou´re right Roya!!!!... I myself do the lalalala zag but only cus I can´t make the other one... one of my teachers does it and it is much more powerful...
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 11:58 PMI had a dance student from Yemen that did a zaghareet with the side-to-side technique, she said in her experience that this was the way that women from the urban areas would do it, and that my up-and-down technique was more common to folks from the country.
Has anyone heard anything similar?
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 4:22 AMcan you post a link to what hers sounds like please?
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 11:54 AMNot saying that you're wrong or owt but... over the past year or so, I've noticed more and more people zaghareeting, especially at/with tribal dancers and lately, I've zaghareeted myself hoarse at most haflas (I'm in the UK, though in the midlands...).
Personally, I feel more at ease zaghareeting than shouting things like "aiwah!" or yipping of whatever... I guess it just depends what's the norm for your area and what most people locally have been shown/taught. -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 1:47 PMThe norm for my area is just clapping at the end of the show.
I think you're right about it being something that people do with Tribal dancers, that's probably why it never happens here. As we don't even have much zaghareeting here things like aiwah and yipping are even more unlikely. One of my teaches uses some arabic words of enouragement in class, but then arabic is one of her first languages so that's be expected. -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 6:19 AMI don't think it's necessarily just a Tribal thing, altho it may be more prevalent in Tribal - both my teachers taught it, and one was cabaret and one raqs sharqi (both in the UK). It probably just depends on the teachers in your area. My current teacher throws in the occasional 'aiwa' as well. -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 6:47 AMNope, I'm on west coast of Scotland and it certainly ain't a tribal-only thing...
Also in Edinburgh on the east side of Scotland its done in caberet circles - was dancing tribal fusion at a predominantly cab event (ie: I was only tribal fusion dancer) and the cab gals were doing plenty of zaghareeting when I was performing! ;) -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 7:53 AMI guess I just live in a really weird place.
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 4:24 PMBTW, what does "aiwah" mean? I've heard that when I've been in the U.S. and all I can think of is that it sounds to me like "alli va" which in Spanish means something like "there she goes." I've never used it because I didn't know what it means or why/when to use it. -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 5:06 PMcheck out this little list of arabic words:
www.mandalatribal.com/students/phrases
ALSO!! Make sure your zahgareet doesnt just kinda trail off! End it with something, like a yip, or ther noise of your choice :) -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 7:57 PMAlas! Those of us who aren't lucky enough to be Sharon's students can't see the information in that link. :( -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 8:21 PMah, i was afraid of that. here:
Aiwa (aye-wah) - "Yes!"
Y'allah (yah-lah) - Literally "Oh God", but colloquially means "Let's go!" or "Come on!"
Habibi (ha-bee-bee) - "Baby!" Also "beloved" or "sweetheart"
Ya Helwa (yah hel-wah) - "You are beautiful!" (to a woman)
Jameela (jah-mee-lah) - "Beautiful" (as in, "that is", to a woman)
Hizzi, Hizzi - "Shake, Shake!" or "Shake it!"
Hizz Ya Wizz - Essentially "Shake your booty!"
Taken from Sharon Moore @ Mandala Tribal.
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Tue, June 2, 2009 - 12:13 PMLOL- This one's the zhagh'n connoisseur
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 5:19 PMI've always been told it's to be polite, kind of like covering your mouth when you cough or saying excuse me when you sneeze. -
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Sun, December 11, 2005 - 10:19 PMI think I do the "back of the throat" type zaghareet.
Try to pull the tongue back and up, make the throat tight to pitch the tone very high and make a noise like "yuh yuh yuh" while inhaling.
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 8:28 AMOK, while I can do a normal la-la-la zaghareet, sometimes I cheat and do a sound-alike.
If you can roll your R's, just put your tongue behind your top front teeth and roll them in a loud, hihg tone. Sounds pretty similar to me.
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 8:58 AMIf anybody else here is a woodwind player, I do it a bit like I'm tongueing really fast but singing a really high note at the same time, if that makes sense. I can't roll my R's so I didn't think i'd be able to do it. The first time I tried was in the shower one day when the house was empty. I was so surprised I could actually do it I started laughing hysterically.
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 8:30 AMThanks for the question. Every tiem I try it my voice cracks or my throat gets dry all of a sudden. It sounds very scary so I just practice in the privacy of my own home. Now I am soooo curious about the African zaghareet.
And I have heard from teachers and videos that the mouth is covered to be polite but originally to keep out the evil spirits. You know how superstitious people where way back when to explain simple things. I think it stemmed from the same concept of covering your mouth when you sneeze.
Any one know how I can stop the cracking? No matter how moist my throat is it happens about 80% of the time.... -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:45 AMHi Nezer, try to lower your pitch just a little bit. Quite often our voice will crack if we try to push it too high...which is what we strive for with a zaghareet.
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Wed, December 14, 2005 - 6:45 AMcool. I will try this Pele. WEll not now because I am in the library. lol. The Quiet study floor of all places. Ha! That would be so funny if I did though.... hmmmm....lol. :) -
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 8:21 AMI've been trying to find a sound clip of Zaghareet. Does anyone know where one can be found. I've searched the world over and no luck.
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Wed, December 21, 2005 - 6:21 PMthere's only one that I've found, but it's not that great in my opinion...
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Thu, February 9, 2006 - 1:17 PMIf you're still searching for another example of zaghareet, try the CD Natacha Atlas: The Remix Collection at the end of track #2 and interspersed throughout track #3; both are called Yalla Chant. It's an awesome disc, if you've never checked it out.
Lelelelelalalala! <curtseys>
Caerann
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Fri, February 10, 2006 - 8:01 AMI checked that link...just under the zagharoot text (now I know zaghareet is the plural) I found one on "hissing" - I didn´t know hissing was a form of expressing enjoyment in the tribal community... always learning!!..thanks for the link
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:49 AMWarming up the voice with easier sounds helps. I find, for example, that I zaghareet much better at the end of a 2 hour class where I've been talking all the time than in the beginning of a performance where I haven't used my voice at all for, say 15-20 minutes.
Of course, you can't really zaghareet to warm up back stage at most venues because the audience would hear you. But some standard vocal warm-ups help. -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 11:53 AMgood one C Grace, a turkey warble??That sounds preety funny. I'm so glad that all of you are helping me on this issue of mine!! The first time I ever tried to do it was at the Saharabesque show in D.C and it was so pathetic and slow that I was glad that everyone else's was so loud! Unfortunately, it's not too often that I'm home by myself so I'll have to try it in the car. Thanks so much guys, and keep it comin!!!
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 8:45 AMOooh. I've had such a hard time with this!! My zaghareet sounds like a turkey warble. I mean, and I'd have no problem with this.. except, what bellydancer wants a turkey yodelling at them?!
I try to balance it by doing a "yip" at the end.. but, um.. it sounds like a turkey and a coyote are just having some weird party. Seriously. I'm scared of trying to encourage the dancer, and scaring them with my coyote turkey noise of doom.
I've noticed Ms. Brice has an incredible zaghareet, though! I love my 3 Spell cd, and I believe she's featured on one of the songs. -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 12:06 PMC Grace,
Your voice is cracking mostly likely because you are using your vocal chords instead of air support to make your noise. Start out my humming on a hmmm or mmm with your lips pressed very lightly together. You should feel a buzzing at the front of your mouth which means the sound is doing what it should be. From there you can just open up into the Le-lee lee noise using your tongue! You won't have to do this forever, just until you can learn to support the sound.
Personally I can't do Zaghareets this way, I can't get the tongue to move fast enough. Mine is more like a pulse that happens that the back of my throat.
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:34 AMLots of great info shared here! Another question along this line...do guys zaghareet for a performer? My husband isn't sure if he should just join in with all the noise, clap, or stand there with a cute smile :) -
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:43 AMI love hearing guys zaghareet. In fact, at a Lebanese restaraunt performance I did once, the men zagarheeted, the women did other noises (yips, hisses, etc).
I encourage everyone to do so, and in fact with instruct the audience on the different ways to appreciate a dancer.
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 12:39 PMI also have trouble getting my tounge to move fast enough...i'm wondering if other ladies with peirced tounges experience the same problem? I also can't roll my r's anymore since i got it pierced....
I use the diaphram and close the back of my throat to try to get a similar sound...still working on it.
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Mon, December 12, 2005 - 2:32 PMDitto! I love hearing men zaghareet!
I agree on using a hum to warm up - that's how we would increase our range in voice classes - humming the scales, the other method was "burbling" where you hum and let your lips vibrate (remember when we were kids and it wasn't embarrasing to do that?!) it also has the pleasant side effect of plumping your lips. But I don't recommend doing that one in the car - you'll leave quite a mess on the inside of the windscreen!
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Tue, December 13, 2005 - 2:23 AMEverytime someone zaghareets I think of Xena. ^_^ Sometimes I have to laugh cuz I think of a kung fu bellydancer. LOL
I can't get my tongue to do a back and forth motion, but I do the lalalala thing.
I read that they used to cover their mouths to keep evil spirits out. I think now it's changed to keeping things covered to be polite.
Good luck on trying to zaghareet, don't give up yet! :-)
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Tue, December 13, 2005 - 6:38 AM+++ Everytime someone zaghareets I think of Xena. +++
Oh thank the Gods, I'm not the only one! I always trail off laughing when I try it because I get this mental image of Xena somersaulting over a line of soldiers or something. -
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Wed, December 14, 2005 - 12:46 AMMe too! Yea I'm not alone! Hey, didn't someone mention Kung Fu Bellydance somewhere on here? ^_^
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Fri, February 10, 2006 - 2:31 PMJust thought I'd pitch in my version: "ya ya ya" instead of "la la la" I can get this going faster than if I try to "la la la"
Upthread, someone else mentioned yuh yuh yuh- probably the same thing. Maybe that would be easier for some. For those who don't want to make a racket, try practicing the tounge movement with lots of air, but no voice. -
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Fri, February 10, 2006 - 6:12 PMI just discovered something: zaghareeting makes my puppy go insane! If I try one now he growls like crazy and attacks my leg. -
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 10:30 PMI went through the whole thread and was excited to see others who equate the Zaghareet with Xena. At the BDSS show last weekend, I tried to Zag, and it didn't come out very well (as always). I ended up mixing the tongue wiggle thing the Xena "Shiyaaa" noise. I actually think it sounded pretty close to the real thing.
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 11:07 PMHere's a clip with all kinds of zhags.
You can here me and several others. Its gotten to the point where i know which zhag belongs to which person :)
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Sat, March 15, 2008 - 11:22 PMDid you mean to put up a link, or are you just teasing us, Jae? :-)
There is a song by Tinariwen, called Arawan, that has some good zaghareeting in it. -
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 4:38 AMI started to enjoy Zaghareeting so much that I do it a lot when others perform on stage. And when I start people join, so it seems to go well.
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 4:38 PMI think I was the only one to zaghareet at the last hafla I went to... need to be doing some practising!
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Sun, March 16, 2008 - 9:11 PMis that first one you hear hanging over at 2-3 seconds zoe's? -
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 3:41 PMI swear, Zoe has quite possibly THE BEST zaghareet I've ever heard! I looove it!
Still dunno how she does it tho.
Check it out about halfway through this clip:
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 4:19 PMwow I really have to practise this!
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 7:36 PMI know, it's like...a crystal bell or something, it's amazing and gorgeous, Rachel Brice's too is quite amazing, but those two are the only I really recognize because of all the clips I've watched.
I seem to find that during long shows [the BDSS shows and haflas and such] after I've had some time to warm up I start to make nicer sounds. I like to play around too and depending on the mood of the music I change my tone or sound. Mine always feel really choppy though [except the rare occasion after I've been doing it for an hour and I start a nice one, or the one or two times I produced this amazing sound before I ever knew it was coming from me, and then rapidl proceeded to shut up because I was so startled and embaressed for getting so excited :P] and I would love to have a recognizable, clear and constant sound like they seem to make. -
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Mon, March 17, 2008 - 9:55 PMI like mine. Its super loud, and i can't hit the notes those girls hit so mines a lower pitch. Maybe its cuz lower tones carry farther, i dunno. But trust me, i make tons more noises than just a zaghareet. I meow a lot too, lol. And other various hootacious noises. -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 8:30 AMhaha, i feel like i need to hear these sometime. -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 9:07 AMI'm not certain if this is traditional or not, but when I was young, I saw a movie that centered on the Basque people. In this movie, the Basques would call each other from mountain to mountain using a "yodell" that sounded very much like a real slow Zahgareet that gradually built in speed and ended with a good ole' "YEEHAH" in the same way a lopt of Middle Eastern cultures do it. Is this type of call used in other cultures? Or was that movie taking a lot of creative license?
Casey would always get amused at my response to some of the zaghareets on some of the recordings. They would end with the woman doing a high pitched "Wheeeee" and I would chuckle............ cause they just sounded so damn happy. :) -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 11:55 AMLOL, I'm sooooo going to use this at the next Hafla.
"LALALALALALALALA---YEEHAH!!!" -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 12:16 PMEvery time I try to do this my dog comes over, puts her head in my lap and moans. I think she's trying to tell me something :P
I can do the yips really well, the zaghareet....... not so much :(
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Wed, March 19, 2008 - 10:50 PMI've heard that they would do that in the Magi culture, as well as many others...because of the fact that it carries so well over distances. I think I could make someone hear me from a good ways away...would LOVE to test the theory...*giggle*
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Wed, March 11, 2009 - 10:59 AMi've just read something about it in wikipedia. Apparently Basque people use a kind of ululation too but I don't remember how it's called -
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Mon, July 27, 2009 - 2:00 AMIt calls Irintzi....here are couple of samples:
www.youtube.com/watch
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Tue, June 2, 2009 - 12:20 PMyou need to record it for us & post it I think ;)
...maybe add a meow in there too!
(I have always wanted to be able to meow, it could just come in so handy- you know the way the friend in that movie 'Only You' does when they first encounter the assumed "Damon Bradley"- best meow I ever heard)
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Sat, February 14, 2009 - 11:52 AMCheck this one ;)
www.youtube.com/watch
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 12:55 AMMyself and one of my friends have been doing the zaghareet for years and calling it the warrior queen yell. So I had mine down way before I ever started dancing.
I also do this at my daughter's ball games...she cheerleads and has kind of come to expect me doing it...even had the announcers in the booth commenting on it and other people asking how it's done...and I zaghareet at the train when it goes by at our pagan circle meetings...(like primal scream therapy)...and just whenever I feel like it. It's quite liberating!!!
That being said, my first belly dance instructor taught the whole class the zaghareet and always pointed at me to demonstrate. She also taught us to hiss during a dancer's more serpentine movements. And I also do a rolling trill type of yell, along with yips and...well, other stuff. *shrug*
As for covering the mouth, we were told that it had to do with the fact that most of the peasant women that would do the zaghareet would cover their mouths to hide bad teeth...not like they had access to today's dentistry. Can't say that's a sure thing, but it does make sense. So does the superstitious explanation, too. The world...may never know. -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 6:53 AM"Hey...has anyone ever had the pleasure of having your voice crack while doing the zaghareet?"
Oh God, yes...all the time...in front of friends *and* strangers. Comes off like you're really into it and then you change your mind in the middle...wimpy, pathetic and sad, LOL. -
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 4:45 AMlol yes when mine cracks i go into this weird whoa noise like a walrus!!! so embarrassing!
i agree with the Xena thing i think everyone in my troupe thought of her when they started learning.
please someone put more links to different types of zaghareet! im after a particular one but i don't know how to do it!!! help!!!
i started with the lalalalala against the back of the teeth but i don't like the sound it makes, so i've resorted to a high pitched ha ha ha ha from an open throat pushed on like i'm singing. i think its way too high pitched. i'll try and find the sound im talking about. i think its African?
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Wed, February 11, 2009 - 9:35 AMThank you, girls! I so enjoyed to read your posts. I thing the sight of zaghareeting girl is very exciting and sexy. Thats a pitty that you dont meet zagharreting girls in street :( I would pay to a girl who will zaghareet for me :)
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Wed, February 11, 2009 - 2:04 PMkululululululululululululuiiiiiii :P
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 8:25 AMi had a teacher from morocco who hated zaghareets. she swore they were an insane american invention. i always wondered what she thought when she heard it while dancing. :)
but my original turkish style teacher told me that the mouth covering was to hide teeth, and my tribal teacher says its cuz its ugly. :) either way i rock what sounds like a xena yell. love the idea of keeping bad spirits out though, very cool!!
anyway, kathryns post about people only clapping had me thinking about my moroccan teacher, because her students dont zaghareet. it could be a style choice, or if belly dancing isnt that popular (yet) where you live maybe they dont know.
maybe everyone in the audience is waiting for you to make the first zaghareet!!
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Sun, February 15, 2009 - 11:29 PM
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Mon, February 16, 2009 - 5:25 PMMs. Brice told me a buncha years ago that she practiced in her car, if memory serves, as high, fast, and loud as possible.
her advice has served me pretty well. Zoe always does a perfect little yip at the end of hers, which sounds pleasing to me.
in a bunch of different cultures, that ululating zaghareet sound has been used as warning, as war cry, an expression of pain and as appreciation among other things. It SHOULD be intense and a bit jarring.
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Mon, February 16, 2009 - 6:19 PMI wish I could hit a note that high. My voice is too deep.
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 2:19 AMBLAH BLAH. Just practice. I sound like I've been smoking since birth when I talk.
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 2:54 AMWhat kind of zaghareet you do? lalalalala eeet, or lelelelele yip? ;) -
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Tue, February 17, 2009 - 1:20 PMHmmm, well, I have no car, I'll practice in the closet......
SHHHHHHHHHHHH! -
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Wed, February 18, 2009 - 3:14 PMi zaghareet in soccer games and in family birthdays after the "happy birthday" song, my folks kinda expect me to do it alredy!!! hehe!! and of course whenever one of my dancing buddies are performing, even in class! teacher really encourage us to do it!
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Fri, February 20, 2009 - 1:29 PMMine sounds real jewish. yeedleedleedleedleeee!!
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Fri, February 20, 2009 - 9:58 AMit doens't often occur to me to practice a zaghareet =p no idea why
so i've been incorporating it more into my practice
it's a heck of alot of fun anyway =p
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Fri, February 20, 2009 - 3:43 AMCheck up this one, girls :)
www.youtube.com/watch
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Sat, February 21, 2009 - 2:03 AMCould you please give me some video links there Sharon Kihara, Zoe or Raquel perform zaghareet? -
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Wed, March 4, 2009 - 5:11 PM"i had a teacher from morocco who hated zaghareets. she swore they were an insane american invention."
Your teacher was ill informed.
I hear them all the time by both men and women in the Arab clubs where I work.
At a concert the other night with both Mauritanian music and Iraqi music (and lots of audience members from both countries) there was a lot of appreciative zaghareeting going on. Some of it was even sort of soft, respectful appreciative zaghareets! They have many different "flavors" apparently. :) -
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Thu, March 5, 2009 - 10:53 AMYes, one of those zhags is me. The higher pitched one is Zoe, mine is a lower tone. :) -
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Thu, March 5, 2009 - 11:12 AMhehehe, I'm slow, you can hear mine at 1:06, 1:17, 3:09, 4:20, 4:57 & 5:38. i did a lot of yelps too, but won't list all of those.
You can hear Zoe at :02, :29, 1:02, 1:19, 2:33, 3:30
You can hear Gwyn (of Nashville) at 1:42, 3:12
And you can also hear America at 1:04, 2:19, 3:25, 3:45
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Thu, March 5, 2009 - 3:15 PMThanks! Btw, your zhags are really cute :)
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Thu, May 28, 2009 - 10:28 AMLets refresh the discussion...LALALALALA EEET )~ -
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Sat, May 30, 2009 - 1:54 PMThanks for bringing up this thread again! It's a great one!
In re-reading the whole thing I found this quote:
"A real zagh is done with the tongue moving from side-to-side, but back and forth across the top/back of the roof of the mouth can get the same warble. "
I'd be cautious in quoting "real" with a lot of things in this dance form.
I work every weekend with very "real" Arabs - I've seen zhagareets done by both men and women and I've seen the up and down, side to side inside the mouth (behind the teeth) and side to side visible (so near the lips). -
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Sun, May 31, 2009 - 6:02 AMYw :). I love this topic myself. Do you have some links to videos of zagh techniques you've dscribed above, Samira? Or maybe some performed by yourself? :) -
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Sun, May 31, 2009 - 8:41 AMHi Dima,
No...I'm not in the habit of video taping my friends while out socially. Plus it's usually so spontaneous that I just never know when it's going to happen. -
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Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:22 AMWhat a pitty :(, It would be nice if somebody of users could catch on video herself or a friend doing zaghs...Everyone makes it a bit different, its really an art :)
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Sun, May 31, 2009 - 11:27 AMSo far, only Jae gave a link to a nice video where we can hear her zaghs, but there is a differnce between just "hearing it" and "hearing and watching"... -
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Mon, June 1, 2009 - 8:17 AMi've been working on mine and it's gotten to be much higher and stronger/louder
which can be good and bad =p
just don't sit too close behind someone and do it without them expecting it ;)
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Mon, June 1, 2009 - 1:37 PMlol :). have you catched it in on video? ;)
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Sat, July 11, 2009 - 4:34 AM
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Mon, July 13, 2009 - 7:51 PMI took a class with Jill Parker awhile back, and she had all of us stand in a huge circle and take turns going around doing a zaghareet. She said we cover our mouths to hide the tongue movement going up and down (which wouldn't exactly be attractive). LOL -
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Tue, July 14, 2009 - 2:36 AMAs to me, i find this toungue movement very attractive...it hypnotizing me :)
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Mon, July 20, 2009 - 10:52 PMthe discussion seems to be dead agian :(
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Sat, August 8, 2009 - 10:47 AMHere is my adding to the discussion about covering the mouth.
My mother who was raised in the 50-60's in Morroco (she isn't Morrocan but French, so she wasn't completely part of the Arab community) told me that women cover their mouth because the moving tongue is seen as something sexual, erotic by men. So women would hide it, the same way they cover their hair etc. The scream, zaghareet has also an erotic aspect, it's like a call, it's exciting men. That's what she told me. So I'm not surprised to see that Tribe member being aroused by zaghareets :)
About how to make the sound, I do the "lalala" sound and since I'm very often the boldest in an audience, I'm usually the first one to do it, and people seem to enjoy it even if it's not the perfect one. Better ones come after from others. :)
About practicing, I had some friends who woud gather in a park or in the country and practice together. They told me being with others help being less shy and really scream loudly and powerfully. -
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Mon, August 10, 2009 - 12:23 PMJust took a previous posters advice and did this when encountering road rage, and it actually works!
Never would have thought to do it @ that time, but it works like a charm!
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Wed, August 12, 2009 - 1:22 PMThe view of zaghareeting girl makes me horny as hell indeed ) -
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Fri, August 14, 2009 - 3:22 AMWhy "eew"? This tongue movement and the pleasant sound look very erotic. .and many guys get sexually excited from it. -
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Fri, August 14, 2009 - 1:23 PM...and many girls are grossed out by that. Just make sure you can keep yourself contained.
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Fri, August 14, 2009 - 3:03 PMWhen I zaghareet, or dance or walk down the street it is not my goal to make you (or any man) "horny as hell". If that were to happen by chance I do not want to know about it. Keep that shit to yourself. -
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Sat, August 15, 2009 - 5:14 AMI'm surprised that so innocent, well known facts, like these i wrote, just as agreement with Marie's post btw...caused so nervous replies...
Nice looking, attractive girls are not repulse from men attention towards them usually...even from occasional one.
Non adecvate nervousness usually caused by sexual unsatisfaction. And this is another fact.
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Sat, August 15, 2009 - 5:43 AMBesides, it really looks that all purpose of zaghareet is to get attention. Or maybe you think its expressing of some deep philosophical thought?...lol -
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Tue, October 20, 2009 - 5:14 PMMy teacher said to us that it was a way to show our encouragement (like cheering or clapping). so its more the opposite to attention seeking I guess
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Sat, September 26, 2009 - 2:02 AMZagharuta Helwa...Zagharuta Helwa....Lalalalalala eeet )~
www.youtube.com/watch
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Mon, October 19, 2009 - 5:06 PMDepending on the dance your teacher teaches you she'll explain it to you different. My current teacher teaches egyptain bellydance so when she taught us she said we cover our mouth because it's rude to wag your tongue at people. But I learned it before from a video and from the indian culture it said they usta' believe that to have your mouth open and tongue wagging could be an opening for a demon or something to come an possess you so that's we they covered they mouth. I think American and Arab cultures cover their mouths because it's kinda' a more erotic view.( just f.y.i. to spell possess i had to use dictionary.com)
