Working on the legs - what are good exercises?

topic posted Thu, July 26, 2007 - 6:11 PM by  Azadi
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I have been working on squats - I don't know what else to call them. I have my feet & knees together, back straight & over hips, try to go down & then come back up. My knees hurt when I do it & I have real problems going either way. Someone suggested using the bar for loose weights but I can't even get up or down without using my arms & hands, no weights.

Advice, anyone?
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Azadi
North Carolina
  • If your knees hurt this is either not being done correctly or it's not a good exercise for you to attempt. If it hurts don't add weight to it as it will only aggravate it even more.

    How far down are you trying to squat? It should be just like you're trying to sit in a chair and no further and your butt should stick out a little bit as if you're going to sit.

    Lunges are a good leg exercise, but they need to be done correctly or it will also put pressure on the knees. When you lunge your knee shouldn't go forward any further than your ankle. As you go into the lunge rather than pushing forward think of moving your pelvic floor straight down towards the floor. This exercise doesn't need to be deep to be effective.

    Group cycling classes are a great no impact leg strengthener that don't stress the knees. You can usually find a group cycling class (also known as spinning) at a gym. If you have access to a gym you might also consult a trainer for exercises that are safe for your knees.
    • I don't like doing squats with my legs together, that might be your problem right there as your limiting the muscle groups you can use. Try squatting with your feet together than space your feet a tiny bit; notice you can feel your inner thighs 'helping' when your spaced and they're 'closed off' when they're together?
      Personally my knees don't like excersizes that wear them out with too much repetition and do better with longer 'holds' than repeated bending. I do have a variation you may try, but its tricky. It won't tire your knees out as much but it will build more total leg strength if thats what your going for. And again, this is just what works for me. I did alot of leg excersizes when I was working up to doing a floorwork backbend.

      First, space your feet out a bit(like hip width). Make sure your knees bend straight out over your toes. Sink your upper body down until you feel your heels wanting to come up and hang there for a bit. Then allow your heels to come up and sink down as low as you can go and stay there for a bit. Then reverse and s*l*o*w*l*y come up till your heels are back and hang some more(yo thighs will be on FIRE!) then come back up. This helps improve your balance as well ;) I do like 3 or 5 sets of these. I also do this all over again with my legs wider and my toes pointing out (2nd position in ballet? could be wrong there..) If you want to step it up more, go into releve' before plie's (like up for 8, down for 8, sink for 8, sink to heels for 8, reverse heels for 8, rise to neutral for 8 and repeat) My thighs burn just typing it, lol. Again, knees always over toes and make sure you maintain a BD posture with tucked pelvis.

      Or, try this. I'm a floorwork freak so you may not like this, but I think it feels awesome and my knees almost get a massage while doing it. This one you can put your knees together. Kneel on a towel or rolled yoga mat, place your feet however they are most comfortable (I like mine to be flat, tops on the ground) Lean back so your thighs are right above a 45 deg angle then omi(ala interior hip circles) in superslow motion. Don't forget to change directions. To step this one up omi while raising and lowering your level('sinking your hips towards your feet then back up to your knees.)'

      Hope that helps and that your knees stop hurting!
  • Ballet, Capoeira, Kung Fu, Ashtanga Yoga, & Afro-Brazilian Samba.
    • Can't take any more classes & maintain my day job - already taking 2 - 3 bd classes a week, plus drum & a workshop a month! The family won't be happy with me if I add anything more! Looking for some exercises I can work on at home or out :-) Looks like there are some good ones posted!

      I am working towards being able to do floor work and to go up & down with a sword on my head, and to generally strengthen my legs & get rid of knee pain. I am going to try out Lori's suggestions, plus biking (I have one at home gathering dust). And any others that look like I can do them... :-) I do some yoga at home already - maybe I need to add a few other positions in. Thanks everybody!
      • weighted squats, even if holding tins of beans ar beneficial. For me to have feet slightly wider than hip width I would then do 3 x 10 with my toes pointing straight ahead, 3 x 10 with my toes flared out and 3 x 10 with them in slightly. Doing this hits the quads in 3 different areas.

        With the drive up you want to be driving through your heels rather than rocking forward to your toes. To avoid temptation if you are wearing trainers, then point your toes up to touch the inside of your trainer. This driving motion also helps engage the hams which for me are essential for driving up out of the floor.

        I used to do powerlifting and do these heavy and they worked my quads beautifully as thats where your power comes from. But good form, good muscle contraction and any type of evenly distributed weight will work wonders.

        did that make sense?

        And the plus side its something you can do at home.
      • Just beware that biking tightens your achielles tendons, so be sure to countet-stretch with some down-dogs & lift the toes off the ground while pressing the heels down. My Ashtanga yoga teacher told me this.
        • Tons of good stuff already on this thread. Please just remember that when doing any weighted or resistance type exercise to listen carefully to your own body as Lynn has with her knees - with any unnatural or forced exercise position you'll get a warning from your body, especially hot-spot sensitive areas like knees, elbows, shoulders and lower back. The best trainers will always tell you the best exercise form and then encourage you to tweak it to suit your unique body configuration - no two will be alike. With squats, find the right distance between feet, and the right foot flare, that works the most comfortably and painlessly. For me personally if I tried it with my feet right together my knees would soon be out of service. Definitely going to give Lori's "stop and hold" trick a try.
  • Spread your legs apart, about shoulder width. "Pelvic tilt forward" to straighten and protect your lower back and then act like you are sitting back into a chair. Your butt should pop back a little bit and as someone previously stated your knees should never go out over your toes which is the mistake people most commonly make. (It puts too much strain on the joint) Only go as low as you can while still maintaining proper body alignment. As you get stronger you will be able to go lower. The same with lunges. Body alignment is key to both exercises.
    • I couldn't agree more. I have knee problems which actually started when I began doing Callanetics -- go figure. It was precisely when doing the pelvic tilt in Callanetics, which is done at the same time as a squat, that I started feeling pain.

      *Protect your knees.* They're like the back -- until you start to have problems you don't really think about them, but once pain begins, you always have to be careful. I find I can do squats like the ones Leah just described without pain, and it really takes the pressure off of the knees and puts it on the working muscles.

      Lunges are also potentially dangerous. I find it ok to do lunges in yoga stretches, but avoid anything too bouncy, since I can't be as careful about the joints.
  • I have a bad left knee (partially torn miniscus and strained medial ligament from a motorcycle accident: ouch!) and have to be really super protective of my knees. I really like my yoga, esp. sun salutations with progressively deeper and longer lunges. I start with very brief and shallow lunges, then with one knee on the floor, then with hands on knee, then the full lunge with arms over head. Warm up the ouchy bits slow and easy. As long as I do my yoga, my knee doesn't complain when I dance. Must be doing something right.

    If you really like squats, I would suggest you use a Smith cage at the gym and get a personal trainer to check your form.
    • It's not that I like squats so much as that I see people working with swords go straight down in a squat position, feet together. Also, others drop down & then come back up - a move I see frequently. If you do floor work, you have to get down somehow, then back up without wallowing around (my current choice) or grabbing someone else to get to a standing position :-)

      It sounds like squats are not the way to start, but they are definitely my goal.
      • OOOhhh, but ders lotsa ways to get down on da floor!! You underestimate de sneakiness....(ala Mr Deeds :D )

        I never sink straight down, that pisses my knees off, sooo if you maya down they take turns bending plus it looks cooler. Add maya-ing down and reversing to upward 8's to come back up to your practice :D I'm partial to maya-ing down to 'tease' the audience that "ohh look, I'm going doooowwnnn...gonna do some floorwork maybe???' then reverse undulation back up "haahaa! fool yew!!' I may be different, but my knees are okay if they're going down one at a time, or if they're staggered, like one foot forward a bit further. Must be like siblings with a rivalry, they don't like to be close together ;) I guess just get to know your knees, that there young skywalker, is the way of the force ;) (pardon me, I'm a bit loopey, I want to be in bed but I'm waiting for my sheets to dry ;)
        Then theres the 'courtsey' down into floorwork, side sliding down, lotsa ways. I recommend Anaheeds dvd from IAMED and Delilahs 3 in her series for good floorwork moves. I need to shut up now, I can go on forever about floorwork cuz I love it...
      • By all means you may start squatting right away, just use the safest possible form for your particular body mechanics - meaning the least stress on joints and connective tissue as possible. A foot-together squat for a sword piece is one thing, I just wouldn't advocate it for most people as regular exercise, especially if you're using resistance like a weighted hip belt or dumbbells. Lunges are excellent exercise, especially as done in yoga, but I personally would not risk a weighted lunge because the knee flexion is so deep. I wouldn't even use a Smith machine because it forces the body to adapt to its bolt upright track, which isn't how the body would normally raise the weight - again just my opinion. If you're at a gym and want to work up to weighted squats, I would start with unweighted squats and just focus on the form and technique for awhile until it's as comfy as possible and use the leg press meanwhile to start building leg strength. Then go ahead and do weighted squats. Again, no reason not to start on squats, it's one of the best strength builders, just listen to your body as you do for yoga and tailor the form to your own structure.

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